O’Shea DNA Project Results  

Abbreviations:

 

FTDNA:                        The company FamilytreeDna based in Houston, Texas who organise the yDNA tests for our project (www.ftdna.com/about.html)

 

Y12, Y25 & Y37:           12, 25 & 37 marker Y- chromosome DNA tests available from FTDNA.

O’Shea:                        Includes all variant spellings such as Shea, Seay, Shay, Shee etc.

Highlighted Text:          Indicates where the text has changed from the previous article

(Rev. 6 of August 2007). 

 

1          DISPLAYING RESULTS

 

Results to date (31st Nov. 2007) are summarised in the separate Table 1. All participants will have received their results from FTDNA but although they provide a lot of useful data relating to individual results, they do not attempt to segregate results into groups. The project administrators review all results and produce the table.

At the top is seen a row of figures with the heading ‘Ancestral Modal.’ These figures are divided into groups of 12, 13 & 12 marker boxes corresponding with Y12, Y25 (12+13) and Y37 (12+13+12) tests. The figures (known as alleles) within each box are derived from all results. For instance to decide on the value for marker 1, the values for marker 1 of each relevant result directly underneath are examined. This shows that of the forty five results, forty four have a value of 13 and one is 12. Thus 13 is inserted in the Ancestral Modal. (The one different value has been checked with FTDNA who confirm it is not an error). The process is continued for the 36 remaining markers. Thus for each marker the Ancestral Modal represents the most frequently occurring value of all relevant test results. In the case of marker 1 it is quite clear what the result should be, but this may not be true for other markers where there could be more than one common value. In such cases all values are given. This doesn’t apply at the present time although marker 27, currently listed as 11, actually fluctuates between 11 & 10 as new results are received. The string of figures relating to each participant’s results is called a Haplotype. In relation to the Ancestral Modal the 37 figures shown can be considered to be the Haplotype of the unidentified hypothetical common ancestor of all O’Sheas. The Ancestral Modal is recalculated every time a new result is processed and thus the figures presented may change with new issues of this article. As we now have a reasonable number of results, the modal is probably at this stage pretty representative, but it will be interesting to see if it will change as more results are processed.        

The next row in the table starts with a column ‘Participant’ on the left. The ‘Code #’ is the kit number assigned by FTDNA when the participant originally applied to join our surname project. Each individual should recognise their own code and set of results, but if you don’t know your code contact us. Participants are also identified by their surname. When produced in electronic form an associated comment box shows the participant’s current base and if known, some genealogical detail. (These notes, if requested, will also be provided in hard copy!) Christian names and precise contact information are withheld to preserve anonymity, but we can arrange to put people in contact with each other if requested.

The next 37 columns contain the headings under which participant’s results are recorded. On the top are marker numbers 1 to 37 and underneath are associated ‘DYS’ numbers. Fourteen of the thirty-seven markers are shaded in bright green such as marker 5 (DYS 385a). FTDNA inform us that these are volatile, mutate more quickly and mismatches in these between individuals are less significant than mismatches in the other markers.  

On the extreme right shaded in brown is a column ‘Haplogroup,’ a term used by genealogists to describe distinct, large population groups. Results to date in our project indicate we belong to the R1b haplogroup, the most common in Western Europe. Commentators suggest that all variants of R1b entered Europe from the east as pre-historic hunter-gatherers, and migrated along rivers and coastlines and across the ridgeways of high ground, eventually reaching the Baltic, North Sea, Mediterranean and Atlantic coastlines, perhaps some twelve thousand years ago. Some participants, such as #8927, #34730 and #34950, have undertaken specialist haplogroup tests and as expected the result showed up as R1b. All others have been predicted to be R1b.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2          CRITERIA FOR FORMING GROUPS & PRESENTATION OF RESULTS:

 

Anyone joining the O’Shea DNA project hopes that their results will closely match others. Such a match in most cases may be the sole evidence linking the participant to others of the same surname beyond about four to five generations, when the paper trail both within Ireland and overseas tends to hit a ‘brick wall’. For people based outside Ireland it may throw some light on where their ancestors lived prior to emigration. For people resident in Ireland it may indicate how their forefathers migrated from what is assumed to be the original Kerry base. It is not that easy to decide on how results should be grouped as can be confirmed with administrators of other surname projects. For the moment we have decided on the following general criteria, although a certain amount of flexibility is allowed.

 

·       As the majority of participants have now taken the Y37 tests, groups are based on these. Results matching 33/37 (i.e. four or less mismatches) or having an 84% probability of having a common ancestor within 20 generations (500 years) are grouped together. (This information is available from FTDNA). All in a group must match within these criteria. Results matching some but not all in a group are placed in a ‘Subset’ of a main group with a note as to why they have been so allocated. All within such a subset must match 34/37 or have a 95% probability within 20 generations. Results showing a distant link to a main group such as matching 30/37 are placed in a category called ‘Associated’, and are shown underneath the main group and associated subsets. It should be noted that inclusion in such a category denotes an extremely tenuous link.

·       Results that don’t match any other are placed in a separate ‘unassigned’ grouping and a note is attached giving an explanation why. Such results may well join new groups as additional results become available

·       For those who have done only the Y25 test to be included in a group, results must match all in the group 22/25 (i.e. three or less mismatches). Results not matching all will be placed either in a subset or the unassigned group. Such placement within a group may change if the participant upgrades to a Y37.

·       Results for Y12 tests cannot really be compared to Y25 or Y37 and such results are placed in a separate Y12 grouping pending their upgrading. 

·       Those of different Haplogroups are segregated. At present the majority are in Haplogroup ‘R1b’ with three in ‘I1a’ and one in ‘G’.

·       If a result fits into more than one group, the closest match is selected and a note confirming this is inserted. 

 

We have an open mind on how groups are formed and will review our criteria as more results become available, and as the science of ‘Genealogy by Genetics’ becomes more sophisticated. The comprehensive work being done by other surname projects on group formation is also kept under review. We will consider adopting any standard methodology that emerges in the future. 

Within a group a decision has to be reached as to who should be shown at the top and how the remainder should be sorted. Y37 results are always placed before Y25. At the top of the group, we place either the person with the earliest proven ancestor or with the strongest matches to all others in the group. All others are compared to the person at the top and are sorted numerically by the Code # in Column 1. Each distinct group is colour coded and any marker different to that at the top of the group is clear, so that the differences within the group are emphasised.

 

 

3          CURRENT GROUPINGS

 

3.1        Group 1, Cork: Main Group & Associated Category

 

These three results here present no grouping problems, as they are exact Y25 matches, and close Y37 matches. #8958 and #12757 are particularly close with just one mismatch on marker 35. All three are undoubtedly related. It transpires that all live within close proximity to each other near Cork City in Ireland. Two of them have traced roots to farming stock in North West Co Cork while the other’s roots are in a merchant family of Cork City. Hitherto none of the three knew of each other or of a relationship. All are now working on a paper trail to see if the relationship can be authenticated by conventional means, but despite extensive research no proven links have emerged.  

            #14921 of a Donegal ancestry, somewhat surprisingly has very distant links to each in Group 1.  #40972 matches only #8958 and that no match exists with #10359 is somewhat surprising, as both are known to have ancestors in the same parish in North West Cork, demonstrating that people of the same surname living close to each other are not necessarily related.

 

3.2        Group 2, Tipperary/ Kilkenny : Main Group & Associated Category

 

#12446 and #43219 are exact 37/37 matches. This is exciting as it links families in Virginia, USA and Victoria, Australia with an 84% probability of having a common ancestor within the past four generations. Neither party were aware of the other’s existence although both understood their ancestry to be in Tipperary. This result certainly proves the power of DNA testing in genealogy. #87583 closely matches both of the above as does #21517 although he has only done the Y25. All with the exception of #21517 believe their earliest known ancestor to be from Co. Tipperary or the neighbouring Co. Kilkenny.  #87583 is of a family that has been in the Cloran (near Fethard in south Tipperary) area for generations. #21517 believes his roots to be in Dingle, Co Kerry. This grouping is interesting, as it appears to solidly link Kerry to Tipperary and Kilkenny and future matching results are keenly awaited.  

The ‘Associated Category’ include;

·       #17203 with a proven link to the famous Shee family of Kilkenny, one of the most prominent families there in the period 1550 to 1700.

·       #27770 with a Tipperary ancestry

·       #N21890’ with a ‘Schroyer’ surname who asked to participate in the O’Shea project and does link to the group.

·       #XOUX8 from a Kilkenny background. As his test was not done by FTDNA it is more difficult to correctly allocate him to a specific group.

 

3.3        Group 3, South Kerry: Main Group, Subsets A & B and Associated Category

 

#89170 & #89883 are exact Y37 matches. Both were raised in New York and know each other, although up to now were unaware of any relationship. Neither is positive of their Irish origins. Interestingly one is a ‘Shay’ with the other an ‘O’Shea’, demonstrating how surnames can change in the US.  #82020 & # 100153 (a new participant since our last report) are also an exact match and both match the above two 36/37. #82020 thinks his ancestor emigrated from Tralee, while #100153 is unsure of his Irish background. Again their surnames differ. These four results form a close-knit unit, and efforts are currently underway utilising an Irish-based genealogist to see if the links can be proven by conventional means, and if an exact Irish location of origin can be established. #37384’s ancestors are said to be from the barony of Tirawley in Co Mayo, an area not normally associated with O’Sheas.  #40971’s ancestors are from near Waterville in Co Kerry close to the source of the river Inny where historically the O’Shea clan is believed to have originated. His presence in this group suggests it may be representative of the Iveragh peninsula. #41184 is from the Beara peninsula in south west Cork.

In subset 3A, #40970 also comes from the Beara peninsula in South West Cork. His ancestors are believed to have moved from Kerry in the nineteenth century, possibly to work in the local copper mines at Allihies

In subset 3B, #N6680 is not certain of his origins but thought it may have been Co Cork.

 

The ‘Associated Category’ includes:

·       #34950 whose ancestor came from Duhallow in North Cork. It was erroneously expected he would match Group 1, again proving that participants whose ancestors came from adjacent locations do not necessarily match genetically. He is a close relation and a close match to #91857 and while both are well aware of their relationship, neither knew that the other was in the project. The DNA tests accurately reflect their close relationship with a 36/37 match; a pleasing verification that the DNA testing process works.

·       #40268 thought he might have had Cork origins.

·       #58344 is not sure of his ancestry.

 

The presence of people with proven connections to the Beara and the Iveragh peninsulas, suggest that this group may be representative of South-West Kerry. It would be particularly significant if the group turned out to be distinct from the O’Sheas of West Kerry on the Dingle peninsula, but participants with proven origins there, have not to-date been forthcoming.    

3.4        Group 4, North Kerry, Limerick & Clare

 

This is a new group since our last report, created because of matches between participants with proven links to the three areas. The group is closely linked to, and difficult to differentiate from, Group 3 and future results may well substantially alter it. #15527 has a Clare background although the family is believed to have originated in Kerry. #34730 is from Killorglin on the northern edge of the Iveragh peninsula in Kerry. #45584’s most distant ancestor served in the British Navy in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and a somewhat discredited pedigree places an earlier generation in Co. Limerick. #83190 is definitely from the Cahersiveen area in South Kerry, and does appear to be the odd man out in the group. He has also close matches to group 3. #97054 is definitely from Limerick as his parents emigrated from there in the early 1950s and he has a documented pedigree there, back to the early 1800s.

            In the ‘Associated Category’, #80679 is not certain of his origins but believes it may be

Limerick. #84068 is unsure of his Irish origins but thought it might be Cork or Kerry. #91300 believes his ancestor was from Kilkenny, but test results suggest otherwise. #38756 like #15527 has a Clare background with the understanding that the family had moved there from Kerry.

 

The attached Table 2 sets out a comparison of the modal results of the four groups. This shows for instance that a new result with a value of 14 for marker 6 is likely to be Group 1, while a value of 12 for marker 5 is likely to be Group 2.

 

3.5        Unassigned 1b group:

 

Our group selection criteria prohibit these eight results from inclusion in a group, subset or associated category. They could be considered as separate groups at present containing just one member and as more results are processed it is possible they will join new groups.

·       #8927 with definite Tipperary roots has compared his results to those of other Irish clans and indications are they may be closer to the O’Donoghues than the O’Sheas.

·       #17313 has definite Dingle, Co. Kerry roots but his results are very different to others from Kerry indicating some kind of anomaly.

·       #29808 is unaware of his ancestry beyond his grandfather who was raised in an orphanage in the US. 

·       All that is known of #33720 is that his ancestor turned up in Nova Scotia, a popular destination for Irish from Waterford and South Tipperary.

·       #47933 one of six Seays in the project has no close matches and neither have the other R1b Seays, #69973 & #93677.

·       #78217 believes his ancestor was born in Tipperary but raised in Kilkenny.

 

3.6        Y12 Grouping

 

#99075 & #99085 have done only the Y12 and are noted as such pending possible upgrades. No attempt has been made to position either in a group based on the available results 

 

3.7        Haplogroup I1a grouping

 

People with different haplogroups cannot be related within thousands of years. Three participants #s 13686, 38052 & 46110 are found to be of the I1a haplogroup. All three have a ‘Seay’ surname and none have proven links to an Irish ancestor. 

 

3.8        Haplogroup ‘G’ grouping

 

One, #10703 falls into this haplogroup. He is not aware of his Irish origins and understands there may have been an adoption or name change in his background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4          THE Y-DNA PROJECT FUND

 

The O’Shea yDNA Surname Project started in 2003 and has now attracted over fifty participants. This is exciting and we have seen that some very interesting matches have occurred. However it can be tantalising if a definite link can’t be established to a specific Irish location. This is as frustrating as ‘hitting the wall’ when the paper trail runs out in conventional genealogy. The project administrators accept that there are not enough O’Sheas still residing in Ireland, involved in the project. We have tried to attract volunteers from traditional O’Shea areas, but this has proved difficult, as understandably, people who have lived in such areas for generations do not feel the need to spend money to find out where they came from! In the past, we have voluntarily funded several people to try to address this problem, and now we ask others to help to progress our project in a way that will eventually assist all participants.

In August 2007 we set up a fund within FamilyTreeDNA, out of which will be paid the test costs for people who otherwise would be unlikely to join the scheme. The goal is to identify strategic participants in areas long associated with the O’Sheas. Selection criteria would include whether or not the participant can document a good measure of male-line ancestry, but the administrators will also consider funding any prospective member considered of interest by any existing member of our project.

One member has very generously started off the fund with a contribution of $1000 and another subsequently donated $200. We are extremely grateful to them. Perhaps others might consider contributing. If so, while any donation no matter how small will be gratefully received, $200 would be very appropriate, as it would allow for the individual Y37 test that is now considered the minimum. If you would like to contribute to the fund please use: http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html or email one of the administrators who will help with the procedures. Any contribution will be gratefully acknowledged and details of how the fund has been utilised will be regularly circulated.

Since August the Irish-based co-administrators have actively canvassed suitable candidates. While kits have been dispensed, unfortunately none have as yet been returned. Replacement suitable candidates are being actively pursued. It is hard to understand why Kerry folk in particular are so reluctant to join the project, even when they are being funded. We will just have to be patient and to ‘make haste slowly’.

 

 

5          PHYLOGENETIC NETWORK DIAGRAM

 

Such a diagram is one way of graphically representing possible relationships based on DNA results. The simplest diagram is a tree where there is only one path between any two nodes. The objective is to have the tree resemble as closely as possible the most likely relationships between the project participants. The nodes represent key individuals, either ancestors or descendants. The lines between nodes represent the relationships.

There are usually many ways of drawing the same tree or network. It is difficult to determine absolute relationships, e.g. which node represents the most distant common ancestor, but the tree or network generally gives a good indication of which nodes are likely to be more closely related to other nodes. The shorter the path between two nodes, the closer the relationship is assumed to be. Our diagram (produced by courtesy of Fluxus-Engineering software) is shown in Appendix A. It displays the current relevant Y37 and it does tie up with the groups shown in Table 1, with the four groups showing up on the diagram as ‘clusters’ remote from each other, while ‘unassigned results sit remotely.

 

 

6          MATCHES WITH OTHERS 

 

As part of the FTDNA service, participants who have

a)               Signed the release form when originally applying

b)              Ticked the ‘I want my matches to be set against the entire database’ under the section ‘Set-up preferences’

are provided with a summary of matches with all others in their database, including those with non O’Shea/Shea surnames. Appendix B, sets out these matches, based on data downloaded on 28 Nov 2007. FTDNA do indicate that even exact matches for Y12 tests between persons of different surnames have no real significance. Close matches on Y25 or Y37 might be significant but the table clearly shows that such are rare.

As can be seen matches vary considerably. In all cases none of the exact matches with Non-O’Sheas on the Y12 test survive as an exact or even a (-1) mismatch on the Y25 proving the initial connection was not significant. There are few Y37 matches and in almost all cases the links are to fellow project members. The surnames with which the O’Sheas match vary, but all look ‘European,’ with a sprinkling of Irish names such as O’Connor, O’Donoghue, McCarthy, Sullivan etc. The figures vary continually as FTDNA process both more O’Shea and ‘Non-O’Shea’ results. We stress that these results, while of general interest, have no real significance. 

 

 

7          SUMMARY

 

Almost all recent results show linkages to Kerry, which is to be expected as it has always been recognised as the spiritual home of the O’Sheas. We now have sufficient data to allow us a reasonable chance of suggesting the Irish origin of a project member with no knowledge of their Irish roots. More results, particularly of those with proven links to an Irish location, will improve the accuracy of our predictions.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01Approx locations of the origins of our current four groups

 

There is a surprising diversity in the surnames in our project with nine variants at present as below. Of the 49 current participants, 31 are based in the US, 8 in Ireland, 4 in Australia, 2 in Canada and one each in South Africa, Hong Kong, England and Italy. The spread of people in the US is shown on the right.

 

Text Box: O’Shea	21							
Shea	15		1 	Alabama	1	Maine	1	Ohio
Seay	6		1	Arizona	2	Massachusetts	1	Oklahoma
Shay	2		1	California	1	Minnesota	1	Oregon
Shee	1		1	Connecticut	1	Missouri	1 	Tennessee
McShea	1		4	Florida	1	New Jersey	3	Texas
Archer-Shee	1		1	Georgia	2	New York	4	Virginia
Bird O’Shea	1		1	Illinois	1	North Carolina	1	Wisconsin
Schroyer	1							
								
Surname variants		Origins of US participants

We have had an initial look at comparing our O’Shea results with those of other Irish Clans. While viewing findings with caution, the O’Sheas do appear to match reasonably closely, the O’Donoghues of the Glens and the O’Sullivans. The former an offshoot of the main O’Donoghue clan were based near Glenflesk in the east of Kerry, while the O’Sullivans were originally from Tipperary but moved to South Kerry in the eleventh & twelfth centuries where they displaced the O’Sheas. It would be of particular interest to compare our results with the Falvey and O’Connell Clans, as all three Clans are understood to be from the same Corcú Duibhne root in West Kerry in medieval times. However neither the Falveys nor the O’Connells have instigated surname projects. This is understandable for the Falveys, whose numbers have shrunk over the generations, and now within Ireland have only a token presence, mainly in Kerry and Cork. However the O’Connells are a major clan, one of the most numerous within Ireland and thus with a large overseas contingent, and it is surprising that a project hasn’t been instigated. Perhaps this may change in the near future.

FTDNA now offer a Y67 test. We feel at the present time there is little point in doing this, unless a very close match has already been found on the Y37. For existing participants considering upgrading, we recommend upgrading to the Y37. For new members we again recommend the Y37.  The Y12 results are too general to be of any great use and most people undertaking this upgrade shortly afterwards, but it is cheaper to go directly to the Y37 rather than upgrading from the Y12.

Academic work on the genetics of Irish clans is proceeding at a number of institutions particularly at Trinity College in Dublin where some related articles may be accessed at www.gen.tcd.ie/molpopgen/resources.php 

 

                                                O’Shea Clan Society  December 2007

 


 

Appendix A

 

  Phylogenetic Network Diagram

 

 

 

Appendix B

 

Matches both with O’Sheas & Non-O’Sheas as at 28th Nov. 2007.

 

 

 

Code

 

Y12

Y25

 

Y37

 

#

0 or -1

0

-1

-2

0

-1

-2

-3

-4

 

8927

5

0

5

35

0

0

0

1

1

 

10359

208

2

5

39

0

0

0

1

1

 

12446

29

2

8

10

1

0

1

1

1

 

12757

208

2

5

39

0

1

0

2

0

 

13686

3

3

0

1

 

 

 

 

 

 

17203

5

0

0

3

0

0

0

0

1

 

27770

4

0

2

0

0

0

0

3

3

 

29808

339

1

5

19

 

 

 

 

 

 

33720

14

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

 

34730

57

0

1

9

0

0

0

0

5

 

34950

2

0

1

0

0

1

0

0

0

 

38052

9

1

6

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

40268

0

0

0

0

 

 

 

 

 

 

40970

230

0

4

3

0

0

0

2

2

 

40971

53

0

0

6

0

0

3

3

0

 

40972

38

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

 

41184

230

0

0

7

0

0

3

3

0

 

46110

43

5

4

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

47993

659

0

10

32

 

 

 

 

 

 

N6680

165

0

0

14

0

0

0

0

2

 

N21890

0

0

0

1

0

0

0

0

1

 

69973

12

0

5

1

0

2

1

2

1

 

78217

34

0

2

18

0

0

0

0

1

 

82020

230

3

4

8

1

2

0

3

1

 

87583

4

0

1

8

0

0

2

0

2

 

91300

2

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

 

91857

30

0

1

4

0

1

0

0

1

 

93667

3

0

2

11

 

 

 

 

 

 

97054

165

0

3

18

0

0

1

1

0

 

100153

230

3

4

8

1

2

0

3

1